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Just FYI: When Roman Catholics refer to the "Immaculate Conception", they do NOT mean Jesus.
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Ted
2017-06-19 22:23:06 UTC
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Do you really get college credit for stalking people???
Only when you pretend to work in "personal security."
Patrick I do work in Close personal protection. Do try to troll with
a little honesty.
Do you get college credit for stalking me?
Patrick Barker all anyone has to do is look at this thread and they
will see you as the Stalker and lying troll. How does what I do for a
living defend your defense of child abuse?
Patrick Barker was fucked up the ass by priests countless times as a boy,
and even into adulthood.
It's obvious.
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2017-06-19 22:23:07 UTC
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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.
Thanks duke, what what does he believe that isn't in the Bible?
Beats me.
"The only thing he believes is that NOT in the words of Jesus."
And now you're saying you don't know what you meant?
The scripture verses above come from Jesus himself. He refuses to consider
those. It's not a matter of what he believes, but a matter of what he doesn't
believe.
But you said earlier that it *is* a matter of what he believes. Were you
mistaken then?
Nope. He believes that he doesn't need to follow the teachings of Jesus.
But you said earlier that it's a matter of what he believes. Were you
mistaken then?
duke
2017-06-20 17:55:14 UTC
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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.
Thanks duke, what what does he believe that isn't in the Bible?
Beats me.
"The only thing he believes is that NOT in the words of Jesus."
And now you're saying you don't know what you meant?
The scripture verses above come from Jesus himself. He refuses to consider
those. It's not a matter of what he believes, but a matter of what he doesn't
believe.
But you said earlier that it *is* a matter of what he believes. Were you
mistaken then?
Nope. He believes that he doesn't need to follow the teachings of Jesus.
But you said earlier that it's a matter of what he believes. Were you
mistaken then?
No, He believes that he doesn't need to follow the teachings of Jesus. That's
going to be his eternal downfall.

the dukester, American-American

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2017-06-20 22:06:05 UTC
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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.
Thanks duke, what what does he believe that isn't in the Bible?
Beats me.
"The only thing he believes is that NOT in the words of Jesus."
And now you're saying you don't know what you meant?
The scripture verses above come from Jesus himself. He refuses to consider
those. It's not a matter of what he believes, but a matter of what he doesn't
believe.
But you said earlier that it *is* a matter of what he believes. Were you
mistaken then?
Nope. He believes that he doesn't need to follow the teachings of Jesus.
But you said earlier that it's a matter of what he believes. Were you
mistaken then?
No, He believes that he doesn't need to follow the teachings of Jesus. That's
going to be his eternal downfall.
You and he both think you follow the teachings of Jesus.
duke
2017-06-21 13:22:16 UTC
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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.
Thanks duke, what what does he believe that isn't in the Bible?
Beats me.
"The only thing he believes is that NOT in the words of Jesus."
And now you're saying you don't know what you meant?
The scripture verses above come from Jesus himself. He refuses to consider
those. It's not a matter of what he believes, but a matter of what he doesn't
believe.
But you said earlier that it *is* a matter of what he believes. Were you
mistaken then?
Nope. He believes that he doesn't need to follow the teachings of Jesus.
But you said earlier that it's a matter of what he believes. Were you
mistaken then?
No, He believes that he doesn't need to follow the teachings of Jesus. That's
going to be his eternal downfall.
You and he both think you follow the teachings of Jesus.
I know for a fact in his own admissions that robert doesn't.

the dukester, American-American

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Ted
2017-06-21 21:03:30 UTC
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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.
Thanks duke, what what does he believe that isn't in the Bible?
Beats me.
"The only thing he believes is that NOT in the words of Jesus."
And now you're saying you don't know what you meant?
The scripture verses above come from Jesus himself. He refuses to consider
those. It's not a matter of what he believes, but a matter of what he doesn't
believe.
But you said earlier that it *is* a matter of what he believes. Were you
mistaken then?
Nope. He believes that he doesn't need to follow the teachings of Jesus.
But you said earlier that it's a matter of what he believes. Were you
mistaken then?
No, He believes that he doesn't need to follow the teachings of Jesus. That's
going to be his eternal downfall.
You and he both think you follow the teachings of Jesus.
I know for a fact in his own admissions that robert doesn't.
And he knows for a fact that you don't.
duke
2017-06-22 12:30:38 UTC
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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.
Thanks duke, what what does he believe that isn't in the Bible?
Beats me.
"The only thing he believes is that NOT in the words of Jesus."
And now you're saying you don't know what you meant?
The scripture verses above come from Jesus himself. He refuses to consider
those. It's not a matter of what he believes, but a matter of what he doesn't
believe.
But you said earlier that it *is* a matter of what he believes. Were you
mistaken then?
Nope. He believes that he doesn't need to follow the teachings of Jesus.
But you said earlier that it's a matter of what he believes. Were you
mistaken then?
No, He believes that he doesn't need to follow the teachings of Jesus. That's
going to be his eternal downfall.
You and he both think you follow the teachings of Jesus.
I know for a fact in his own admissions that robert doesn't.
And he knows for a fact that you don't.
I've named for him, with bible verse listed, what I follow. He says he doesn't.

the dukester, American-American

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Ted
2017-06-22 19:51:29 UTC
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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.
Thanks duke, what what does he believe that isn't in the Bible?
Beats me.
"The only thing he believes is that NOT in the words of Jesus."
And now you're saying you don't know what you meant?
The scripture verses above come from Jesus himself. He refuses to consider
those. It's not a matter of what he believes, but a matter of what he doesn't
believe.
But you said earlier that it *is* a matter of what he believes. Were you
mistaken then?
Nope. He believes that he doesn't need to follow the teachings of Jesus.
But you said earlier that it's a matter of what he believes. Were you
mistaken then?
No, He believes that he doesn't need to follow the teachings of Jesus. That's
going to be his eternal downfall.
You and he both think you follow the teachings of Jesus.
I know for a fact in his own admissions that robert doesn't.
And he knows for a fact that you don't.
I've named for him, with bible verse listed, what I follow. He says he doesn't.
The Bible doesn't say what you claim it does.
duke
2017-06-23 12:07:46 UTC
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Do this in memory of me - Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
1. Baptism - John 3:5-6, Mat 28:19, Hebrew 2:14-15
2. Holy Eucharist -Mat 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-26, Luke 22:14-20,
1Cor 11:23-25 (11-34).
3. Confession - John 20:22-23, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Mat 9:2-8
4. Matrimony - Mat 19:4-6, Mark 10:5-9, Ephesians 5:31
5. Confirmation - Ephesians 1:13-14, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 19:5-6,
6. Holy Orders - Acts 13:3 & 14:23, John 20:22, 1 & 2 Tim
7. Anointing of the Sick - Mark 6:12-13, John 5:14
Mat 16:13-19 (Pope), Mat 28:16-20 (Teaching), Eph 2:19-20 (Base)
1 Cor 3:10-15
Mat 25:31-46, James 2:26
Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Give drink to the thirsty.
Visit the imprisoned.
Heal the sick.
Cast out demons.
Thanks duke, what what does he believe that isn't in the Bible?
Beats me.
"The only thing he believes is that NOT in the words of Jesus."
And now you're saying you don't know what you meant?
The scripture verses above come from Jesus himself. He refuses to consider
those. It's not a matter of what he believes, but a matter of what he doesn't
believe.
But you said earlier that it *is* a matter of what he believes. Were you
mistaken then?
Nope. He believes that he doesn't need to follow the teachings of Jesus.
But you said earlier that it's a matter of what he believes. Were you
mistaken then?
No, He believes that he doesn't need to follow the teachings of Jesus. That's
going to be his eternal downfall.
You and he both think you follow the teachings of Jesus.
I know for a fact in his own admissions that robert doesn't.
And he knows for a fact that you don't.
I've named for him, with bible verse listed, what I follow. He says he doesn't.
The Bible doesn't say what you claim it does.
I know that the Bible says that robert is clueless as to what the NT bible says.

the dukester, American-American

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Robert
2017-06-23 16:58:44 UTC
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I know that the Bible says that robert is clueless as to what the NT bible says.
the dukester, American-American
Now Earl Weber aka duke, says that I am in the Bible?

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2017-06-23 18:17:08 UTC
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On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:58:44 -0700, Robert wrote:

Follow up set.
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I know that the Bible says that robert is clueless as to what the NT bible says.
the dukester, American-American
Now Earl Weber aka duke, says that I am in the Bible?
By association, yes, you are. & not in a complimentary mode either.
--
'Whenever we crucify the guilty, the most crowded roads are chosen, where
most people
can see and be moved by this fear. For penalties relate not so much to
retribution as to their
exemplary effect.'
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2017-06-24 12:50:33 UTC
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I know that the Bible says that robert is clueless as to what the NT bible says.
the dukester, American-American
Now Earl Weber aka duke, says that I am in the Bible?
Only if you are raqa.

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2017-06-24 18:57:28 UTC
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I know that the Bible says that robert is clueless as to what the NT bible says.
the dukester, American-American
Now Earl Weber aka duke, says that I am in the Bible?
Only if you are raqa.
Another word duke made up? (Like "aramatic")
duke
2017-06-25 16:07:50 UTC
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I know that the Bible says that robert is clueless as to what the NT bible says.
the dukester, American-American
Now Earl Weber aka duke, says that I am in the Bible?
Only if you are raqa.
Another word duke made up? (Like "aramatic")
That's Aramaic - the language that Jesus spoke.

Raqa`
Verb

Definition
to beat, stamp, beat out, spread out, stretch
(Qal)
to stamp, beat out
one who beats out (participle)
(Piel) to overlay, beat out (for plating)
(Pual) beaten out (participle)
(Hiphil) to make a spreading (of clouds)

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Ted
2017-06-25 19:34:12 UTC
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I know that the Bible says that robert is clueless as to what the NT bible says.
the dukester, American-American
Now Earl Weber aka duke, says that I am in the Bible?
Only if you are raqa.
Another word duke made up? (Like "aramatic")
That's Aramaic - the language that Jesus spoke.
Jesus spoke English. Didn't you read the report I posted earlier about the
Apostle Paul's KJV?
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Raqa`
Verb
Definition
to beat, stamp, beat out, spread out, stretch
(Qal)
to stamp, beat out
one who beats out (participle)
(Piel) to overlay, beat out (for plating)
(Pual) beaten out (participle)
(Hiphil) to make a spreading (of clouds)
OMG you're so full of it.
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2017-06-26 12:12:11 UTC
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I know that the Bible says that robert is clueless as to what the NT bible says.
the dukester, American-American
Now Earl Weber aka duke, says that I am in the Bible?
Only if you are raqa.
Another word duke made up? (Like "aramatic")
That's Aramaic - the language that Jesus spoke.
Jesus spoke English. Didn't you read the report I posted earlier about the
Apostle Paul's KJV?
Yes, that's why I told you that you were dead wrong.

the dukester, American-American

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2017-06-26 16:33:07 UTC
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I know that the Bible says that robert is clueless as to what the NT bible says.
the dukester, American-American
Now Earl Weber aka duke, says that I am in the Bible?
Only if you are raqa.
Another word duke made up? (Like "aramatic")
That's Aramaic - the language that Jesus spoke.
Jesus spoke English. Didn't you read the report I posted earlier about the
Apostle Paul's KJV?
Yes, that's why I told you that you were dead wrong.
Then you read it without comprehension.
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2017-06-27 16:47:15 UTC
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I know that the Bible says that robert is clueless as to what the NT bible says.
the dukester, American-American
Now Earl Weber aka duke, says that I am in the Bible?
Only if you are raqa.
Another word duke made up? (Like "aramatic")
That's Aramaic - the language that Jesus spoke.
Jesus spoke English. Didn't you read the report I posted earlier about the
Apostle Paul's KJV?
Yes, that's why I told you that you were dead wrong.
Then you read it without comprehension.
No, I read it with fact. You see, I had no reason to believe that you knew that
Paul's death and the first kjv spanned 1600 years. You need to learn to post
with greater comprehension.

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2017-06-19 22:23:08 UTC
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On Wed, 31 May 2017 23:03:24 +0000 (UTC), Ted
Robert's a *real* Christian, duke.
Nope. Never born again. Can't say how or when.
And you were "born again" as an infant when a designated shaman
wearing
his
gaudy robe sprinkled some drops of magic water on your head while
reciting
a magical incantation.
Well, it's not quite as you describe it, but it is a voluntary desire
(of my
parents in my case) to make me a Christian in the manner that Jesus
Christ
gave
us. None of us are anything without our desire being carried
forward.
So there's no magic water nor a magical incantation. But instead a
fulfillment
of a desire. Of course, the value to the infant is acceptance into
heaven in
the case of death. Protest_ants are stupid for waiting for the teen
years.
And in the case of robert, I don't think he has ever been. He's never
been
able
to say how or when.
Then he can't be a Christian. The Bible is explicit about baptism.
Yes, it is, but robert thinks he knows better.
Why do you think he wasn't baptized?
He claims he's "born again" but can't say how or when.
He rejects it has anything to do with "baptism".
As a former Protestant, I somewhat agree. But baptism is necessary. Does he
say it isn't?
Yes. Yet he claims to be "born again" but denies that baptism is being born
again.
It isn't the same. Is that what Catholics believe?
It is the same. Scripture shows that. Robert is none too bright and
baptism/born again goes against his grain. He's wrong.
Please cite the scripture. Thanks.
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
We are born in water in natural descent, and thus we are born again in water to
become God's children.
Romans 9,8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are
not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for
the seed."
That says nothing about baptism. Do you have another?
Baptism in water = born again in water.
But you can't cite the scripture?
Jesus demonstrated it.
You can't cite the scripture.
Jesus demonstrated it.
But Duke couldn't follow him.
But I did. Baptized at age 8 weeks. How about you? How were you born again?
That means nothing for your spiritual life. If it were to have
happened then it was without your consent or knowledge. God does not
operate that way.
But surely his parents' priest muttered the appropriate Vatican-approved
magical incantation while sprinkling a few drops of water on baby duke's
head. To a Catholic, that means "born again".
Oh, my name was definitely written in the book of life when I was baptized at
age 8 weeks. Robert can never say.
Where in the Bible does it mention infant baptism?
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On Wed, 31 May 2017 23:03:24 +0000 (UTC), Ted
Robert's a *real* Christian, duke.
Nope. Never born again. Can't say how or when.
And you were "born again" as an infant when a designated shaman
wearing
his
gaudy robe sprinkled some drops of magic water on your head while
reciting
a magical incantation.
Well, it's not quite as you describe it, but it is a voluntary desire
(of my
parents in my case) to make me a Christian in the manner that Jesus
Christ
gave
us. None of us are anything without our desire being carried
forward.
So there's no magic water nor a magical incantation. But instead a
fulfillment
of a desire. Of course, the value to the infant is acceptance into
heaven in
the case of death. Protest_ants are stupid for waiting for the teen
years.
And in the case of robert, I don't think he has ever been. He's never
been
able
to say how or when.
Then he can't be a Christian. The Bible is explicit about baptism.
Yes, it is, but robert thinks he knows better.
Why do you think he wasn't baptized?
He claims he's "born again" but can't say how or when.
He rejects it has anything to do with "baptism".
As a former Protestant, I somewhat agree. But baptism is necessary. Does he
say it isn't?
Yes. Yet he claims to be "born again" but denies that baptism is being born
again.
It isn't the same. Is that what Catholics believe?
It is the same. Scripture shows that. Robert is none too bright and
baptism/born again goes against his grain. He's wrong.
Please cite the scripture. Thanks.
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
We are born in water in natural descent, and thus we are born again in water to
become God's children.
Romans 9,8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are
not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for
the seed."
That says nothing about baptism. Do you have another?
Baptism in water = born again in water.
But you can't cite the scripture?
Jesus demonstrated it.
You can't cite the scripture.
Jesus demonstrated it.
But Duke couldn't follow him.
But I did. Baptized at age 8 weeks. How about you? How were you born again?
That means nothing for your spiritual life. If it were to have
happened then it was without your consent or knowledge. God does not
operate that way.
But surely his parents' priest muttered the appropriate Vatican-approved
magical incantation while sprinkling a few drops of water on baby duke's
head. To a Catholic, that means "born again".
Oh, my name was definitely written in the book of life when I was baptized at
age 8 weeks. Robert can never say.
Where in the Bible does it mention infant baptism?
Where Jesus says "let the little children come to me and don't try to stop
them." There is not ONE word in scripture that says "one must be old enough to
understand what's taking place and what it means" in order to be baptized, which
is a physical action in agreement by the parents in the case of infants..

the dukester, American-American

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Post by Ted
On Wed, 31 May 2017 23:03:24 +0000 (UTC), Ted
Robert's a *real* Christian, duke.
Nope. Never born again. Can't say how or when.
And you were "born again" as an infant when a designated shaman
wearing
his
gaudy robe sprinkled some drops of magic water on your head while
reciting
a magical incantation.
Well, it's not quite as you describe it, but it is a voluntary
desire
(of my
parents in my case) to make me a Christian in the manner that Jesus
Christ
gave
us. None of us are anything without our desire being carried
forward.
So there's no magic water nor a magical incantation. But instead a
fulfillment
of a desire. Of course, the value to the infant is acceptance into
heaven in
the case of death. Protest_ants are stupid for waiting for the teen
years.
And in the case of robert, I don't think he has ever been. He's
never
been
able
to say how or when.
Then he can't be a Christian. The Bible is explicit about baptism.
Yes, it is, but robert thinks he knows better.
Why do you think he wasn't baptized?
He claims he's "born again" but can't say how or when.
He rejects it has anything to do with "baptism".
As a former Protestant, I somewhat agree. But baptism is necessary. Does
he
say it isn't?
Yes. Yet he claims to be "born again" but denies that baptism is being
born
again.
It isn't the same. Is that what Catholics believe?
It is the same. Scripture shows that. Robert is none too bright and
baptism/born again goes against his grain. He's wrong.
Please cite the scripture. Thanks.
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
We are born in water in natural descent, and thus we are
born again in water to
become God's children.
Romans 9,8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are
not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for
the seed."
That says nothing about baptism. Do you have another?
Baptism in water = born again in water.
But you can't cite the scripture?
Jesus demonstrated it.
You can't cite the scripture.
Jesus demonstrated it.
But Duke couldn't follow him.
But I did. Baptized at age 8 weeks. How about you? How were you born again?
That means nothing for your spiritual life. If it were to have
happened then it was without your consent or knowledge. God does not
operate that way.
But surely his parents' priest muttered the appropriate Vatican-approved
magical incantation while sprinkling a few drops of water on baby duke's
head. To a Catholic, that means "born again".
Oh, my name was definitely written in the book of life when I was baptized at
age 8 weeks. Robert can never say.
Where in the Bible does it mention infant baptism?
Where Jesus says "let the little children come to me and don't try to stop
them." There is not ONE word in scripture that says "one must be old enough to
True.
Post by duke
understand what's taking place and what it means" in order to be baptized, which
is a physical action in agreement by the parents in the case of infants..
That isn't Biblical.
duke
2017-06-21 16:04:12 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by Ted
On Wed, 31 May 2017 23:03:24 +0000 (UTC), Ted
Robert's a *real* Christian, duke.
Nope. Never born again. Can't say how or when.
And you were "born again" as an infant when a designated shaman
wearing
his
gaudy robe sprinkled some drops of magic water on your head while
reciting
a magical incantation.
Well, it's not quite as you describe it, but it is a voluntary
desire
(of my
parents in my case) to make me a Christian in the manner that Jesus
Christ
gave
us. None of us are anything without our desire being carried
forward.
So there's no magic water nor a magical incantation. But instead a
fulfillment
of a desire. Of course, the value to the infant is acceptance into
heaven in
the case of death. Protest_ants are stupid for waiting for the teen
years.
And in the case of robert, I don't think he has ever been. He's
never
been
able
to say how or when.
Then he can't be a Christian. The Bible is explicit about baptism.
Yes, it is, but robert thinks he knows better.
Why do you think he wasn't baptized?
He claims he's "born again" but can't say how or when.
He rejects it has anything to do with "baptism".
As a former Protestant, I somewhat agree. But baptism is necessary. Does
he
say it isn't?
Yes. Yet he claims to be "born again" but denies that baptism is being
born
again.
It isn't the same. Is that what Catholics believe?
It is the same. Scripture shows that. Robert is none too bright and
baptism/born again goes against his grain. He's wrong.
Please cite the scripture. Thanks.
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
We are born in water in natural descent, and thus we are
born again in water to
become God's children.
Romans 9,8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are
not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for
the seed."
That says nothing about baptism. Do you have another?
Baptism in water = born again in water.
But you can't cite the scripture?
Jesus demonstrated it.
You can't cite the scripture.
Jesus demonstrated it.
But Duke couldn't follow him.
But I did. Baptized at age 8 weeks. How about you? How were you born again?
That means nothing for your spiritual life. If it were to have
happened then it was without your consent or knowledge. God does not
operate that way.
But surely his parents' priest muttered the appropriate Vatican-approved
magical incantation while sprinkling a few drops of water on baby duke's
head. To a Catholic, that means "born again".
Oh, my name was definitely written in the book of life when I was baptized at
age 8 weeks. Robert can never say.
Where in the Bible does it mention infant baptism?
Where Jesus says "let the little children come to me and don't try to stop
them." There is not ONE word in scripture that says "one must be old enough to
True.
Post by duke
understand what's taking place and what it means" in order to be baptized, which
is a physical action in agreement by the parents in the case of infants..
That isn't Biblical.
It's historical for 2000 years now. Remember, scripture is only a part of
everything Jesus said and did. It may not be in writing, but it did come form
Jesus.

the dukester, American-American

*****
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Pope Paul VI
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Ted
2017-06-21 21:03:28 UTC
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Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 22:19:05 +0000 (UTC), Ted
On Wed, 31 May 2017 23:03:24 +0000 (UTC), Ted
Robert's a *real* Christian, duke.
Nope. Never born again. Can't say how or when.
And you were "born again" as an infant when a designated shaman
wearing
his
gaudy robe sprinkled some drops of magic water on your head while
reciting
a magical incantation.
Well, it's not quite as you describe it, but it is a voluntary
desire
(of my
parents in my case) to make me a Christian in the manner that
Jesus
Christ
gave
us. None of us are anything without our desire being carried
forward.
So there's no magic water nor a magical incantation. But instead
a
fulfillment
of a desire. Of course, the value to the infant is acceptance
into
heaven in
the case of death. Protest_ants are stupid for waiting for the
teen
years.
And in the case of robert, I don't think he has ever been. He's
never
been
able
to say how or when.
Then he can't be a Christian. The Bible is explicit about baptism.
Yes, it is, but robert thinks he knows better.
Why do you think he wasn't baptized?
He claims he's "born again" but can't say how or when.
He rejects it has anything to do with "baptism".
As a former Protestant, I somewhat agree. But baptism is necessary.
Does
he
say it isn't?
Yes. Yet he claims to be "born again" but denies that baptism is being
born
again.
It isn't the same. Is that what Catholics believe?
It is the same. Scripture shows that. Robert is none too bright and
baptism/born again goes against his grain. He's wrong.
Please cite the scripture. Thanks.
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as
Abraham?s
offspring.
We are born in water in natural descent, and thus we are
born again in water to
become God's children.
Romans 9,8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are
not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for
the seed."
That says nothing about baptism. Do you have another?
Baptism in water = born again in water.
But you can't cite the scripture?
Jesus demonstrated it.
You can't cite the scripture.
Jesus demonstrated it.
But Duke couldn't follow him.
But I did. Baptized at age 8 weeks. How about you? How were you born again?
That means nothing for your spiritual life. If it were to have
happened then it was without your consent or knowledge. God does not
operate that way.
But surely his parents' priest muttered the appropriate Vatican-approved
magical incantation while sprinkling a few drops of water on baby duke's
head. To a Catholic, that means "born again".
Oh, my name was definitely written in the book of life when I was baptized at
age 8 weeks. Robert can never say.
Where in the Bible does it mention infant baptism?
Where Jesus says "let the little children come to me and don't try to stop
them." There is not ONE word in scripture that says "one must be old enough to
True.
Post by duke
understand what's taking place and what it means" in order to be baptized, which
is a physical action in agreement by the parents in the case of infants..
That isn't Biblical.
It's historical for 2000 years now. Remember, scripture is only a part of
everything Jesus said and did. It may not be in writing, but it did come form
Jesus.
How are we to know what Jesus said if it isn't in the Bible?
duke
2017-06-22 12:59:39 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 22:19:05 +0000 (UTC), Ted
On Wed, 31 May 2017 23:03:24 +0000 (UTC), Ted
Robert's a *real* Christian, duke.
Nope. Never born again. Can't say how or when.
And you were "born again" as an infant when a designated shaman
wearing
his
gaudy robe sprinkled some drops of magic water on your head while
reciting
a magical incantation.
Well, it's not quite as you describe it, but it is a voluntary
desire
(of my
parents in my case) to make me a Christian in the manner that
Jesus
Christ
gave
us. None of us are anything without our desire being carried
forward.
So there's no magic water nor a magical incantation. But instead
a
fulfillment
of a desire. Of course, the value to the infant is acceptance
into
heaven in
the case of death. Protest_ants are stupid for waiting for the
teen
years.
And in the case of robert, I don't think he has ever been. He's
never
been
able
to say how or when.
Then he can't be a Christian. The Bible is explicit about baptism.
Yes, it is, but robert thinks he knows better.
Why do you think he wasn't baptized?
He claims he's "born again" but can't say how or when.
He rejects it has anything to do with "baptism".
As a former Protestant, I somewhat agree. But baptism is necessary.
Does
he
say it isn't?
Yes. Yet he claims to be "born again" but denies that baptism is being
born
again.
It isn't the same. Is that what Catholics believe?
It is the same. Scripture shows that. Robert is none too bright and
baptism/born again goes against his grain. He's wrong.
Please cite the scripture. Thanks.
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as
Abraham?s
offspring.
We are born in water in natural descent, and thus we are
born again in water to
become God's children.
Romans 9,8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are
not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for
the seed."
That says nothing about baptism. Do you have another?
Baptism in water = born again in water.
But you can't cite the scripture?
Jesus demonstrated it.
You can't cite the scripture.
Jesus demonstrated it.
But Duke couldn't follow him.
But I did. Baptized at age 8 weeks. How about you? How were you born again?
That means nothing for your spiritual life. If it were to have
happened then it was without your consent or knowledge. God does not
operate that way.
But surely his parents' priest muttered the appropriate Vatican-approved
magical incantation while sprinkling a few drops of water on baby duke's
head. To a Catholic, that means "born again".
Oh, my name was definitely written in the book of life when I was baptized at
age 8 weeks. Robert can never say.
Where in the Bible does it mention infant baptism?
Where Jesus says "let the little children come to me and don't try to stop
them." There is not ONE word in scripture that says "one must be old enough to
True.
Post by duke
understand what's taking place and what it means" in order to be baptized, which
is a physical action in agreement by the parents in the case of infants..
That isn't Biblical.
It's historical for 2000 years now. Remember, scripture is only a part of
everything Jesus said and did. It may not be in writing, but it did come form
Jesus.
How are we to know what Jesus said if it isn't in the Bible?
Actually, what is followed as God's dogma comes from the canonized bible. But
there were many, many books written that were not canonized, so they offer
insight, but not official word.

And then of course, Jesus worked with men and women starting with the disciples
and 12 Apostles. These people were the source of additional information (John
21:25) taught to the early Church fathers, the growth of the Church in
Christians, and eventually to the teaching authority of the Papacy and the
Catechism of the Catholic Church.

What do protest_ants have? NOthing but a bunch of men 500 year ago who decided
they didn't like all that Jesus taught, so they decided what to accept from the
Catholic Church and what not to follow.

the dukester, American-American

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Ted
2017-06-22 19:51:28 UTC
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Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
On Sat, 3 Jun 2017 21:26:40 +0000 (UTC), Ted
On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 22:19:05 +0000 (UTC), Ted
On Wed, 31 May 2017 23:03:24 +0000 (UTC), Ted
Robert's a *real* Christian, duke.
Nope. Never born again. Can't say how or when.
And you were "born again" as an infant when a designated shaman
wearing
his
gaudy robe sprinkled some drops of magic water on your head
while
reciting
a magical incantation.
Well, it's not quite as you describe it, but it is a voluntary
desire
(of my
parents in my case) to make me a Christian in the manner that
Jesus
Christ
gave
us. None of us are anything without our desire being carried
forward.
So there's no magic water nor a magical incantation. But
instead
a
fulfillment
of a desire. Of course, the value to the infant is acceptance
into
heaven in
the case of death. Protest_ants are stupid for waiting for the
teen
years.
And in the case of robert, I don't think he has ever been. He's
never
been
able
to say how or when.
Then he can't be a Christian. The Bible is explicit about
baptism.
Yes, it is, but robert thinks he knows better.
Why do you think he wasn't baptized?
He claims he's "born again" but can't say how or when.
He rejects it has anything to do with "baptism".
As a former Protestant, I somewhat agree. But baptism is necessary.
Does
he
say it isn't?
Yes. Yet he claims to be "born again" but denies that baptism is
being
born
again.
It isn't the same. Is that what Catholics believe?
It is the same. Scripture shows that. Robert is none too bright and
baptism/born again goes against his grain. He's wrong.
Please cite the scripture. Thanks.
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as
Abraham?s
offspring.
We are born in water in natural descent, and thus we are
born again in water to
become God's children.
Romans 9,8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are
not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for
the seed."
That says nothing about baptism. Do you have another?
Baptism in water = born again in water.
But you can't cite the scripture?
Jesus demonstrated it.
You can't cite the scripture.
Jesus demonstrated it.
But Duke couldn't follow him.
But I did. Baptized at age 8 weeks. How about you? How were you born again?
That means nothing for your spiritual life. If it were to have
happened then it was without your consent or knowledge. God does not
operate that way.
But surely his parents' priest muttered the appropriate Vatican-approved
magical incantation while sprinkling a few drops of water on baby duke's
head. To a Catholic, that means "born again".
Oh, my name was definitely written in the book of life when I was baptized at
age 8 weeks. Robert can never say.
Where in the Bible does it mention infant baptism?
Where Jesus says "let the little children come to me and don't try to stop
them." There is not ONE word in scripture that says "one must be old enough to
True.
Post by duke
understand what's taking place and what it means" in order to be baptized, which
is a physical action in agreement by the parents in the case of infants..
That isn't Biblical.
It's historical for 2000 years now. Remember, scripture is only a part of
everything Jesus said and did. It may not be in writing, but it did come form
Jesus.
How are we to know what Jesus said if it isn't in the Bible?
Actually, what is followed as God's dogma comes from the canonized bible. But
there were many, many books written that were not canonized, so they offer
insight, but not official word.
And then of course, Jesus worked with men and women starting with the disciples
and 12 Apostles. These people were the source of additional information (John
21:25) taught to the early Church fathers, the growth of the Church in
Christians, and eventually to the teaching authority of the Papacy and the
Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Is that where a lot of RCC dogma comes from?
duke
2017-06-23 12:25:38 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
On Sat, 3 Jun 2017 21:26:40 +0000 (UTC), Ted
On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 22:19:05 +0000 (UTC), Ted
On Wed, 31 May 2017 23:03:24 +0000 (UTC), Ted
Robert's a *real* Christian, duke.
Nope. Never born again. Can't say how or when.
And you were "born again" as an infant when a designated shaman
wearing
his
gaudy robe sprinkled some drops of magic water on your head
while
reciting
a magical incantation.
Well, it's not quite as you describe it, but it is a voluntary
desire
(of my
parents in my case) to make me a Christian in the manner that
Jesus
Christ
gave
us. None of us are anything without our desire being carried
forward.
So there's no magic water nor a magical incantation. But
instead
a
fulfillment
of a desire. Of course, the value to the infant is acceptance
into
heaven in
the case of death. Protest_ants are stupid for waiting for the
teen
years.
And in the case of robert, I don't think he has ever been. He's
never
been
able
to say how or when.
Then he can't be a Christian. The Bible is explicit about
baptism.
Yes, it is, but robert thinks he knows better.
Why do you think he wasn't baptized?
He claims he's "born again" but can't say how or when.
He rejects it has anything to do with "baptism".
As a former Protestant, I somewhat agree. But baptism is necessary.
Does
he
say it isn't?
Yes. Yet he claims to be "born again" but denies that baptism is
being
born
again.
It isn't the same. Is that what Catholics believe?
It is the same. Scripture shows that. Robert is none too bright and
baptism/born again goes against his grain. He's wrong.
Please cite the scripture. Thanks.
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as
Abraham?s
offspring.
We are born in water in natural descent, and thus we are
born again in water to
become God's children.
Romans 9,8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are
not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for
the seed."
That says nothing about baptism. Do you have another?
Baptism in water = born again in water.
But you can't cite the scripture?
Jesus demonstrated it.
You can't cite the scripture.
Jesus demonstrated it.
But Duke couldn't follow him.
But I did. Baptized at age 8 weeks. How about you? How were you born again?
That means nothing for your spiritual life. If it were to have
happened then it was without your consent or knowledge. God does not
operate that way.
But surely his parents' priest muttered the appropriate Vatican-approved
magical incantation while sprinkling a few drops of water on baby duke's
head. To a Catholic, that means "born again".
Oh, my name was definitely written in the book of life when I was baptized at
age 8 weeks. Robert can never say.
Where in the Bible does it mention infant baptism?
Where Jesus says "let the little children come to me and don't try to stop
them." There is not ONE word in scripture that says "one must be old enough to
True.
Post by duke
understand what's taking place and what it means" in order to be baptized, which
is a physical action in agreement by the parents in the case of infants..
That isn't Biblical.
It's historical for 2000 years now. Remember, scripture is only a part of
everything Jesus said and did. It may not be in writing, but it did come form
Jesus.
How are we to know what Jesus said if it isn't in the Bible?
Actually, what is followed as God's dogma comes from the canonized bible. But
there were many, many books written that were not canonized, so they offer
insight, but not official word.
And then of course, Jesus worked with men and women starting with the disciples
and 12 Apostles. These people were the source of additional information (John
21:25) taught to the early Church fathers, the growth of the Church in
Christians, and eventually to the teaching authority of the Papacy and the
Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Is that where a lot of RCC dogma comes from?
Our use of the word "dogma" applies to "truth revealed by God that can never
change as that would require God changing his mind."

the dukester, American-American

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Robert
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Post by Ted
On Wed, 31 May 2017 23:03:24 +0000 (UTC), Ted
Robert's a *real* Christian, duke.
Nope. Never born again. Can't say how or when.
And you were "born again" as an infant when a designated shaman
wearing
his
gaudy robe sprinkled some drops of magic water on your head while
reciting
a magical incantation.
Well, it's not quite as you describe it, but it is a voluntary desire
(of my
parents in my case) to make me a Christian in the manner that Jesus
Christ
gave
us. None of us are anything without our desire being carried
forward.
So there's no magic water nor a magical incantation. But instead a
fulfillment
of a desire. Of course, the value to the infant is acceptance into
heaven in
the case of death. Protest_ants are stupid for waiting for the teen
years.
And in the case of robert, I don't think he has ever been. He's never
been
able
to say how or when.
Then he can't be a Christian. The Bible is explicit about baptism.
Yes, it is, but robert thinks he knows better.
Why do you think he wasn't baptized?
He claims he's "born again" but can't say how or when.
He rejects it has anything to do with "baptism".
As a former Protestant, I somewhat agree. But baptism is necessary. Does he
say it isn't?
Yes. Yet he claims to be "born again" but denies that baptism is being born
again.
It isn't the same. Is that what Catholics believe?
It is the same. Scripture shows that. Robert is none too bright and
baptism/born again goes against his grain. He's wrong.
Please cite the scripture. Thanks.
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
We are born in water in natural descent, and thus we are born again in water to
become God's children.
Romans 9,8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are
not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for
the seed."
That says nothing about baptism. Do you have another?
Baptism in water = born again in water.
But you can't cite the scripture?
Jesus demonstrated it.
You can't cite the scripture.
Jesus demonstrated it.
But Duke couldn't follow him.
But I did. Baptized at age 8 weeks. How about you? How were you born again?
That means nothing for your spiritual life. If it were to have
happened then it was without your consent or knowledge. God does not
operate that way.
But surely his parents' priest muttered the appropriate Vatican-approved
magical incantation while sprinkling a few drops of water on baby duke's
head. To a Catholic, that means "born again".
Oh, my name was definitely written in the book of life when I was baptized at
age 8 weeks. Robert can never say.
Where in the Bible does it mention infant baptism?
Where Jesus says "let the little children come to me and don't try to stop
them." There is not ONE word in scripture that says "one must be old enough to
understand what's taking place and what it means" in order to be baptized, which
is a physical action in agreement by the parents in the case of infants..
the dukester, American-American
Infants cannot nor could not go to Jesus of their own free will. Jesus
never baptized one person with or in water.

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Post by Ted
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Robert's a *real* Christian, duke.
Nope. Never born again. Can't say how or when.
And you were "born again" as an infant when a designated shaman
wearing
his
gaudy robe sprinkled some drops of magic water on your head while
reciting
a magical incantation.
Well, it's not quite as you describe it, but it is a voluntary desire
(of my
parents in my case) to make me a Christian in the manner that Jesus
Christ
gave
us. None of us are anything without our desire being carried
forward.
So there's no magic water nor a magical incantation. But instead a
fulfillment
of a desire. Of course, the value to the infant is acceptance into
heaven in
the case of death. Protest_ants are stupid for waiting for the teen
years.
And in the case of robert, I don't think he has ever been. He's never
been
able
to say how or when.
Then he can't be a Christian. The Bible is explicit about baptism.
Yes, it is, but robert thinks he knows better.
Why do you think he wasn't baptized?
He claims he's "born again" but can't say how or when.
He rejects it has anything to do with "baptism".
As a former Protestant, I somewhat agree. But baptism is necessary. Does he
say it isn't?
Yes. Yet he claims to be "born again" but denies that baptism is being born
again.
It isn't the same. Is that what Catholics believe?
It is the same. Scripture shows that. Robert is none too bright and
baptism/born again goes against his grain. He's wrong.
Please cite the scripture. Thanks.
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
We are born in water in natural descent, and thus we are born again in water to
become God's children.
Romans 9,8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are
not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for
the seed."
That says nothing about baptism. Do you have another?
Baptism in water = born again in water.
But you can't cite the scripture?
Jesus demonstrated it.
You can't cite the scripture.
Jesus demonstrated it.
But Duke couldn't follow him.
But I did. Baptized at age 8 weeks. How about you? How were you born again?
That means nothing for your spiritual life. If it were to have
happened then it was without your consent or knowledge. God does not
operate that way.
But surely his parents' priest muttered the appropriate Vatican-approved
magical incantation while sprinkling a few drops of water on baby duke's
head. To a Catholic, that means "born again".
Oh, my name was definitely written in the book of life when I was baptized at
age 8 weeks. Robert can never say.
Where in the Bible does it mention infant baptism?
Where Jesus says "let the little children come to me and don't try to stop
them." There is not ONE word in scripture that says "one must be old enough to
understand what's taking place and what it means" in order to be baptized, which
is a physical action in agreement by the parents in the case of infants..
the dukester, American-American
Infants cannot nor could not go to Jesus of their own free will. Jesus
never baptized one person with or in water.
Why not. Jesus was circumcised on day 8 of his birth. I'm betting he didn't go
on his own.

Now, as far as Jesus doing baptisms, he couldn't because Christian baptism
didn't become fact without the descent of the Holy Spirit which didn't take
place until 10 days after his ascension to the Father.

Robert, why do you continue to make such an ignorant fool of yourself?

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Post by Robert
Post by duke
Post by Ted
On Wed, 31 May 2017 23:03:24 +0000 (UTC), Ted
Robert's a *real* Christian, duke.
Nope. Never born again. Can't say how or when.
And you were "born again" as an infant when a designated shaman
wearing
his
gaudy robe sprinkled some drops of magic water on your head while
reciting
a magical incantation.
Well, it's not quite as you describe it, but it is a voluntary desire
(of my
parents in my case) to make me a Christian in the manner that Jesus
Christ
gave
us. None of us are anything without our desire being carried
forward.
So there's no magic water nor a magical incantation. But instead a
fulfillment
of a desire. Of course, the value to the infant is acceptance into
heaven in
the case of death. Protest_ants are stupid for waiting for the teen
years.
And in the case of robert, I don't think he has ever been. He's never
been
able
to say how or when.
Then he can't be a Christian. The Bible is explicit about baptism.
Yes, it is, but robert thinks he knows better.
Why do you think he wasn't baptized?
He claims he's "born again" but can't say how or when.
He rejects it has anything to do with "baptism".
As a former Protestant, I somewhat agree. But baptism is necessary. Does he
say it isn't?
Yes. Yet he claims to be "born again" but denies that baptism is being born
again.
It isn't the same. Is that what Catholics believe?
It is the same. Scripture shows that. Robert is none too bright and
baptism/born again goes against his grain. He's wrong.
Please cite the scripture. Thanks.
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
We are born in water in natural descent, and thus we are born again in water to
become God's children.
Romans 9,8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are
not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for
the seed."
That says nothing about baptism. Do you have another?
Baptism in water = born again in water.
But you can't cite the scripture?
Jesus demonstrated it.
You can't cite the scripture.
Jesus demonstrated it.
But Duke couldn't follow him.
But I did. Baptized at age 8 weeks. How about you? How were you born again?
That means nothing for your spiritual life. If it were to have
happened then it was without your consent or knowledge. God does not
operate that way.
But surely his parents' priest muttered the appropriate Vatican-approved
magical incantation while sprinkling a few drops of water on baby duke's
head. To a Catholic, that means "born again".
Oh, my name was definitely written in the book of life when I was baptized at
age 8 weeks. Robert can never say.
Where in the Bible does it mention infant baptism?
Where Jesus says "let the little children come to me and don't try to stop
them." There is not ONE word in scripture that says "one must be old enough to
understand what's taking place and what it means" in order to be baptized, which
is a physical action in agreement by the parents in the case of infants..
the dukester, American-American
Infants cannot nor could not go to Jesus of their own free will. Jesus
never baptized one person with or in water.
Why not. Jesus was circumcised on day 8 of his birth. I'm betting he didn't go
on his own.
Why not? It was part of the covenant between Abraham and God and to
his heirs, the Israelites. Has nothing to do with Christianity.
Post by duke
Now, as far as Jesus doing baptisms, he couldn't because Christian baptism
didn't become fact without the descent of the Holy Spirit which didn't take
place until 10 days after his ascension to the Father.
So now you agree that Christ was not baptized like us?

The baptism you speak of is without water, there was no tub in the
upper room.
Post by duke
Robert, why do you continue to make such an ignorant fool of yourself?
Your right, I'm stupid for trying to communicate with you.

Easy to fix though, Bye
Post by duke
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Post by Robert
Post by duke
Post by Robert
Infants cannot nor could not go to Jesus of their own free will. Jesus
never baptized one person with or in water.
Why not. Jesus was circumcised on day 8 of his birth. I'm betting he didn't go
on his own.
Why not? It was part of the covenant between Abraham and God and to
his heirs, the Israelites. Has nothing to do with Christianity.
So now you admit that he parents arranged it just like Christian parents do.
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Now, as far as Jesus doing baptisms, he couldn't because Christian baptism
didn't become fact without the descent of the Holy Spirit which didn't take
place until 10 days after his ascension to the Father.
So now you agree that Christ was not baptized like us?
You're getting more desperate by the second, robert. If Christian baptism was
not available until after the cross, how could he be baptized before then. I
keep telling you that his baptism in the Jordan was in demonstration. His true
baptism was his cross, for which we join with him in death to sin in our water
baptism and descent of the Holy Spirit.

Do you get the message yet??? We join Jesus in his death in our water baptism.
Post by Robert
The baptism you speak of is without water, there was no tub in the
upper room.
??? How do you know there wasn't?
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Robert, why do you continue to make such an ignorant fool of yourself?
Your right, I'm stupid for trying to communicate with you.
You don't communicate WITH me. You just make a fool of yourself in scripture
ignorance.
Post by Robert
Easy to fix though, Bye
Again he runs away as his bible knowledge is so poor that he can't make a point.

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Post by duke
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Post by Robert
Infants cannot nor could not go to Jesus of their own free will. Jesus
never baptized one person with or in water.
Why not. Jesus was circumcised on day 8 of his birth. I'm betting he didn't go
on his own.
Why not? It was part of the covenant between Abraham and God and to
his heirs, the Israelites. Has nothing to do with Christianity.
So now you admit that he parents arranged it just like Christian parents do.
Nope, Christians have no circumcision rites 8 days after the child is
born. That is only for Jews.
Post by duke
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Now, as far as Jesus doing baptisms, he couldn't because Christian baptism
didn't become fact without the descent of the Holy Spirit which didn't take
place until 10 days after his ascension to the Father.
So now you agree that Christ was not baptized like us?
You're getting more desperate by the second, robert. If Christian baptism was
not available until after the cross, how could he be baptized before then. I
keep telling you that his baptism in the Jordan was in demonstration. His true
baptism was his cross, for which we join with him in death to sin in our water
baptism and descent of the Holy Spirit.
When then are you going to be crucified?
Post by duke
Do you get the message yet??? We join Jesus in his death in our water baptism.
You said it was when he was crucified, make up your mind.
Post by duke
Post by Robert
The baptism you speak of is without water, there was no tub in the
upper room.
??? How do you know there wasn't?
There was no mention of it, nor anyone ever being baptized by water
there.
Post by duke
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Robert, why do you continue to make such an ignorant fool of yourself?
Your right, I'm stupid for trying to communicate with you.
You don't communicate WITH me. You just make a fool of yourself in scripture
ignorance.
Post by Robert
Easy to fix though, Bye
Again he runs away as his bible knowledge is so poor that he can't make a point.
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snip, follow up set, non xian groups removed.
Post by Robert
Post by duke
So now you admit that he parents arranged it just like Christian parents do.
Nope, Christians have no circumcision rites 8 days after the child is
born. That is only for Jews.
elly, your pretend knowledge of the first 400 years is fantastic. Though
odd are you arte correct at th official level.

snip
Post by Robert
Post by duke
You're getting more desperate by the second, robert. If Christian baptism was
not available until after the cross, how could he be baptized before then. I
keep telling you that his baptism in the Jordan was in demonstration. His true
baptism was his cross, for which we join with him in death to sin in our water
baptism and descent of the Holy Spirit.
When then are you going to be crucified?
Post by duke
Do you get the message yet??? We join Jesus in his death in our water baptism.
You said it was when he was crucified, make up your mind.
So, Duke has been talking to you, & got confused. No shock there.
Post by Robert
Post by duke
??? How do you know there wasn't?
There was no mention of it, nor anyone ever being baptized by water
there.
So, only you have access to the real Greek Testament then? Or so you
suppose. Hint, there arfe no original Greek texts, I'll leave it to you to
try & understand why.

snip
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'Whenever we crucify the guilty, the most crowded roads are chosen, where
most people
can see and be moved by this fear. For penalties relate not so much to
retribution as to their
exemplary effect.'
Quintilian (AD 35-95, Decl 274)
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Post by Robert
Post by duke
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Post by Robert
Infants cannot nor could not go to Jesus of their own free will. Jesus
never baptized one person with or in water.
Why not. Jesus was circumcised on day 8 of his birth. I'm betting he didn't go
on his own.
Why not? It was part of the covenant between Abraham and God and to
his heirs, the Israelites. Has nothing to do with Christianity.
So now you admit that he parents arranged it just like Christian parents do.
Nope, Christians have no circumcision rites 8 days after the child is
born. That is only for Jews.
For the void between the ears, the statement is that Catholic parents have their
infants baptized at 8 weeks just as Jewish parents had their infant boys
circumcised at 8 days. Just as circumcision is the sign of the first covenant,
baptism (circumcision of the heart) is the sign of the new covenant.

We know you lack the new sign.
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Now, as far as Jesus doing baptisms, he couldn't because Christian baptism
didn't become fact without the descent of the Holy Spirit which didn't take
place until 10 days after his ascension to the Father.
So now you agree that Christ was not baptized like us?
You're getting more desperate by the second, robert. If Christian baptism was
not available until after the cross, how could he be baptized before then. I
keep telling you that his baptism in the Jordan was in demonstration. His true
baptism was his cross, for which we join with him in death to sin in our water
baptism and descent of the Holy Spirit.
When then are you going to be crucified?
Post by duke
Do you get the message yet??? We join Jesus in his death in our water baptism.
You said it was when he was crucified, make up your mind.
Post by duke
Post by Robert
The baptism you speak of is without water, there was no tub in the
upper room.
??? How do you know there wasn't?
There was no mention of it, nor anyone ever being baptized by water
there.
Post by duke
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Robert, why do you continue to make such an ignorant fool of yourself?
Your right, I'm stupid for trying to communicate with you.
You don't communicate WITH me. You just make a fool of yourself in scripture
ignorance.
Post by Robert
Easy to fix though, Bye
Again he runs away as his bible knowledge is so poor that he can't make a point.
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Post by duke
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Post by Robert
Infants cannot nor could not go to Jesus of their own free will. Jesus
never baptized one person with or in water.
Why not. Jesus was circumcised on day 8 of his birth. I'm betting he didn't go
on his own.
Why not? It was part of the covenant between Abraham and God and to
his heirs, the Israelites. Has nothing to do with Christianity.
So now you admit that he parents arranged it just like Christian parents do.
Nope, Christians have no circumcision rites 8 days after the child is
born. That is only for Jews.
For the void between the ears, the statement is that Catholic parents have their
infants baptized at 8 weeks just as Jewish parents had their infant boys
circumcised at 8 days. Just as circumcision is the sign of the first covenant,
baptism (circumcision of the heart) is the sign of the new covenant.
We know you lack the new sign.
8 Days is the same as 8 weeks? and baptism is the same as circumcision
which you also do to little girls? Baptism is not a circumcision of
the heart, nor a sign of the covenant for infants. That is all hogwash
from the RCC

Just like the rest of made up dogma.
Post by duke
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Now, as far as Jesus doing baptisms, he couldn't because Christian baptism
didn't become fact without the descent of the Holy Spirit which didn't take
place until 10 days after his ascension to the Father.
So now you agree that Christ was not baptized like us?
You're getting more desperate by the second, robert. If Christian baptism was
not available until after the cross, how could he be baptized before then. I
keep telling you that his baptism in the Jordan was in demonstration. His true
baptism was his cross, for which we join with him in death to sin in our water
baptism and descent of the Holy Spirit.
When then are you going to be crucified?
Post by duke
Do you get the message yet??? We join Jesus in his death in our water baptism.
You said it was when he was crucified, make up your mind.
Post by duke
Post by Robert
The baptism you speak of is without water, there was no tub in the
upper room.
??? How do you know there wasn't?
There was no mention of it, nor anyone ever being baptized by water
there.
Post by duke
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Robert, why do you continue to make such an ignorant fool of yourself?
Your right, I'm stupid for trying to communicate with you.
You don't communicate WITH me. You just make a fool of yourself in scripture
ignorance.
Post by Robert
Easy to fix though, Bye
Again he runs away as his bible knowledge is so poor that he can't make a point.
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Post by Robert
Post by duke
For the void between the ears, the statement is that Catholic parents have their
infants baptized at 8 weeks just as Jewish parents had their infant boys
circumcised at 8 days. Just as circumcision is the sign of the first covenant,
baptism (circumcision of the heart) is the sign of the new covenant.
We know you lack the new sign.
8 Days is the same as 8 weeks? and baptism is the same as circumcision
Maybe for you? But then, your version of xianity does not seem to be close
the ones most xians practice.
Post by Robert
which you also do to little girls? Baptism is not a circumcision of
the heart, nor a sign of the covenant for infants. That is all hogwash
from the RCC
Just like the rest of made up dogma.
& it's called xianity.
--
9:1
And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them
that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the
kingdom of God come with power.
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Post by Robert
Post by duke
For the void between the ears, the statement is that Catholic parents have their
infants baptized at 8 weeks just as Jewish parents had their infant boys
circumcised at 8 days. Just as circumcision is the sign of the first covenant,
baptism (circumcision of the heart) is the sign of the new covenant.
We know you lack the new sign.
8 Days is the same as 8 weeks? and baptism is the same as circumcision
Maybe for you? But then, your version of xianity does not seem to be close
the ones most xians practice.
Post by Robert
which you also do to little girls? Baptism is not a circumcision of
the heart, nor a sign of the covenant for infants. That is all hogwash
from the RCC
Just like the rest of made up dogma.
& it's called xianity.
Are you ashamed of The Lord's Name?
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Post by duke
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Post by Robert
Infants cannot nor could not go to Jesus of their own free will. Jesus
never baptized one person with or in water.
Why not. Jesus was circumcised on day 8 of his birth. I'm betting he didn't go
on his own.
Why not? It was part of the covenant between Abraham and God and to
his heirs, the Israelites. Has nothing to do with Christianity.
So now you admit that he parents arranged it just like Christian parents do.
Nope, Christians have no circumcision rites 8 days after the child is
born. That is only for Jews.
For the void between the ears, the statement is that Catholic parents have their
infants baptized at 8 weeks just as Jewish parents had their infant boys
circumcised at 8 days. Just as circumcision is the sign of the first covenant,
baptism (circumcision of the heart) is the sign of the new covenant.
We know you lack the new sign.
8 Days is the same as 8 weeks? and baptism is the same as circumcision
which you also do to little girls? Baptism is not a circumcision of
the heart, nor a sign of the covenant for infants. That is all hogwash
from the RCC
Well, all that is just because of your fake beliefs about Christianity. Infant
circumcision at 8 days (Jewish boys) is Christian baptism for infants at 8 weeks

But you've never been born again, so you don't know this. You think all you had
to do is declare, and viola, you be it.
Post by Robert
Just like the rest of made up dogma.
Dogma comes from God. Your false understandings come form yourself.
Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
Post by duke
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Now, as far as Jesus doing baptisms, he couldn't because Christian baptism
didn't become fact without the descent of the Holy Spirit which didn't take
place until 10 days after his ascension to the Father.
So now you agree that Christ was not baptized like us?
You're getting more desperate by the second, robert. If Christian baptism was
not available until after the cross, how could he be baptized before then. I
keep telling you that his baptism in the Jordan was in demonstration. His true
baptism was his cross, for which we join with him in death to sin in our water
baptism and descent of the Holy Spirit.
When then are you going to be crucified?
Use your brain, dummy. His baptism is the cross, our joining him is in waters
of baptism. You're so totally lost.
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Post by duke
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Do you get the message yet??? We join Jesus in his death in our water baptism.
You said it was when he was crucified, make up your mind.
The weight of being only a Jew is getting to you.
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Post by Robert
Post by duke
Post by Robert
The baptism you speak of is without water, there was no tub in the
upper room.
??? How do you know there wasn't?
There was no mention of it, nor anyone ever being baptized by water
there.
Well, you know how it is. Nobody saw Jesus rise form the dead either. So I'm
sure you doubt that also, you pagan.
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Easy to fix though, Bye
Again he runs away as his bible knowledge is so poor that he can't make a point.
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Post by Robert
Infants cannot nor could not go to Jesus of their own free will. Jesus
never baptized one person with or in water.
He lacked the power then?
--
"Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a
Christian, presumably
giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and
we should take all
means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up
vast ignorance in
a Christian and laugh it to scorn."

-- Augustine, The Literal Meaning of Genesis
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Robert's a *real* Christian, duke.
Nope. Never born again. Can't say how or when.
And you were "born again" as an infant when a designated shaman wearing
his
gaudy robe sprinkled some drops of magic water on your head while
reciting
a magical incantation.
Well, it's not quite as you describe it, but it is a voluntary desire (of
my
parents in my case) to make me a Christian in the manner that Jesus
Christ
gave
us. None of us are anything without our desire being carried forward.
So there's no magic water nor a magical incantation. But instead a
fulfillment
of a desire. Of course, the value to the infant is acceptance into
heaven
in
the case of death. Protest_ants are stupid for waiting for the teen
years.
And in the case of robert, I don't think he has ever been. He's never
been
able
to say how or when.
Then he can't be a Christian. The Bible is explicit about baptism.
Yes, it is, but robert thinks he knows better.
Why do you think he wasn't baptized?
He claims he's "born again" but can't say how or when.
He rejects it has anything to do with "baptism".
As a former Protestant, I somewhat agree. But baptism is necessary. Does he
say it isn't?
Yes. Yet he claims to be "born again" but denies that baptism is being born
again.
It isn't the same. Is that what Catholics believe?
It is the same. Scripture shows that. Robert is none too bright and
baptism/born again goes against his grain. He's wrong.
Please cite the scripture. Thanks.
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
We are born in water in natural descent, and thus we are born again in water to
become God's children.
Romans 9,8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are
not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for
the seed."
That says nothing about baptism. Do you have another?
Baptism in water = born again in water.
But you can't cite the scripture?
Jesus demonstrated it.
You can't cite the scripture.
Jesus demonstrated it.
But you can't cite the scripture, despite your belief that the Bible is
God's word. LOL. How typically Catholic. :)
Pasta, if you can't find the baptism of the Lord in scripture, you're in the
wrong discussion.
We weren't referring to Jesus's baptism, but of course I know where that is
too. (In all four gospels, e.g. Matthew 3.) I know the Bible *much* better
than you do (as does Robert), despite the fact that I know it isn't true
but you think it's God's word. Now what's wrong with that picture, duke?
duke
2017-06-20 18:33:16 UTC
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Robert's a *real* Christian, duke.
Nope. Never born again. Can't say how or when.
And you were "born again" as an infant when a designated shaman wearing
his
gaudy robe sprinkled some drops of magic water on your head while
reciting
a magical incantation.
Well, it's not quite as you describe it, but it is a voluntary desire (of
my
parents in my case) to make me a Christian in the manner that Jesus
Christ
gave
us. None of us are anything without our desire being carried forward.
So there's no magic water nor a magical incantation. But instead a
fulfillment
of a desire. Of course, the value to the infant is acceptance into
heaven
in
the case of death. Protest_ants are stupid for waiting for the teen
years.
And in the case of robert, I don't think he has ever been. He's never
been
able
to say how or when.
Then he can't be a Christian. The Bible is explicit about baptism.
Yes, it is, but robert thinks he knows better.
Why do you think he wasn't baptized?
He claims he's "born again" but can't say how or when.
He rejects it has anything to do with "baptism".
As a former Protestant, I somewhat agree. But baptism is necessary. Does he
say it isn't?
Yes. Yet he claims to be "born again" but denies that baptism is being born
again.
It isn't the same. Is that what Catholics believe?
It is the same. Scripture shows that. Robert is none too bright and
baptism/born again goes against his grain. He's wrong.
Please cite the scripture. Thanks.
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
We are born in water in natural descent, and thus we are born again in water to
become God's children.
Romans 9,8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are
not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for
the seed."
That says nothing about baptism. Do you have another?
Baptism in water = born again in water.
But you can't cite the scripture?
Jesus demonstrated it.
You can't cite the scripture.
Jesus demonstrated it.
But you can't cite the scripture, despite your belief that the Bible is
God's word. LOL. How typically Catholic. :)
Pasta, if you can't find the baptism of the Lord in scripture, you're in the
wrong discussion.
We weren't referring to Jesus's baptism, but of course I know where that is
too. (In all four gospels, e.g. Matthew 3.) I know the Bible *much* better
than you do (as does Robert)
No way in hell is that true.

You want a hint?

Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s
offspring.

Welcome to baptism in water, ie, reborn.
Post by Ted
, despite the fact that I know it isn't true
but you think it's God's word. Now what's wrong with that picture, duke?
You're making an ass of yourself.

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2017-06-20 22:06:02 UTC
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Robert's a *real* Christian, duke.
Nope. Never born again. Can't say how or when.
And you were "born again" as an infant when a designated shaman
wearing
his
gaudy robe sprinkled some drops of magic water on your head while
reciting
a magical incantation.
Well, it's not quite as you describe it, but it is a voluntary desire
(of
my
parents in my case) to make me a Christian in the manner that Jesus
Christ
gave
us. None of us are anything without our desire being carried forward.
So there's no magic water nor a magical incantation. But instead a
fulfillment
of a desire. Of course, the value to the infant is acceptance into
heaven
in
the case of death. Protest_ants are stupid for waiting for the teen
years.
And in the case of robert, I don't think he has ever been. He's never
been
able
to say how or when.
Then he can't be a Christian. The Bible is explicit about baptism.
Yes, it is, but robert thinks he knows better.
Why do you think he wasn't baptized?
He claims he's "born again" but can't say how or when.
He rejects it has anything to do with "baptism".
As a former Protestant, I somewhat agree. But baptism is necessary. Does he
say it isn't?
Yes. Yet he claims to be "born again" but denies that baptism is being born
again.
It isn't the same. Is that what Catholics believe?
It is the same. Scripture shows that. Robert is none too bright and
baptism/born again goes against his grain. He's wrong.
Please cite the scripture. Thanks.
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
We are born in water in natural descent, and thus we are born again in water to
become God's children.
Romans 9,8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are
not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for
the seed."
That says nothing about baptism. Do you have another?
Baptism in water = born again in water.
But you can't cite the scripture?
Jesus demonstrated it.
You can't cite the scripture.
Jesus demonstrated it.
But you can't cite the scripture, despite your belief that the Bible is
God's word. LOL. How typically Catholic. :)
Pasta, if you can't find the baptism of the Lord in scripture, you're in the
wrong discussion.
We weren't referring to Jesus's baptism, but of course I know where that is
too. (In all four gospels, e.g. Matthew 3.) I know the Bible *much* better
than you do (as does Robert)
No way in hell is that true.
You want a hint?
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s
offspring.
Welcome to baptism in water, ie, reborn.
The verse you quoted says nothing about baptism. Are you really that
stupid?
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Post by Ted
, despite the fact that I know it isn't true
but you think it's God's word. Now what's wrong with that picture, duke?
You're making an ass of yourself.
For not believing in your mythology?
duke
2017-06-21 16:21:40 UTC
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Pasta, if you can't find the baptism of the Lord in scripture, you're in the
wrong discussion.
We weren't referring to Jesus's baptism, but of course I know where that is
too. (In all four gospels, e.g. Matthew 3.) I know the Bible *much* better
than you do (as does Robert)
No way in hell is that true.
You want a hint?
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
Welcome to baptism in water, ie, reborn.
The verse you quoted says nothing about baptism. Are you really that
stupid?
It's the act and the result that is of value. That's plain in scripture.
Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
, despite the fact that I know it isn't true
but you think it's God's word. Now what's wrong with that picture, duke?
You're making an ass of yourself.
For not believing in your mythology?
No, because you are a big ass. You keep missing the point. It's not me that
will be sorry for you failures. It will be you.1

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2017-06-21 21:03:28 UTC
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Pasta, if you can't find the baptism of the Lord in scripture, you're in the
wrong discussion.
We weren't referring to Jesus's baptism, but of course I know where that is
too. (In all four gospels, e.g. Matthew 3.) I know the Bible *much* better
than you do (as does Robert)
No way in hell is that true.
You want a hint?
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
Welcome to baptism in water, ie, reborn.
The verse you quoted says nothing about baptism. Are you really that
stupid?
It's the act and the result that is of value. That's plain in scripture.
Show us where, exactly, it's "plain in scripture" or admit you're wrong.
Post by duke
Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
, despite the fact that I know it isn't true
but you think it's God's word. Now what's wrong with that picture, duke?
You're making an ass of yourself.
For not believing in your mythology?
No, because you are a big ass. You keep missing the point. It's not me that
will be sorry for you failures. It will be you.
You'll be sorry when you go to Hell and see me in Heaven with a beer in my
hand and a sexy naked babe on my lap. And I'll be laughing my ass off,
duke.
Robert
2017-06-21 21:25:15 UTC
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Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
Pasta, if you can't find the baptism of the Lord in scripture, you're in the
wrong discussion.
We weren't referring to Jesus's baptism, but of course I know where that is
too. (In all four gospels, e.g. Matthew 3.) I know the Bible *much* better
than you do (as does Robert)
No way in hell is that true.
You want a hint?
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
Welcome to baptism in water, ie, reborn.
The verse you quoted says nothing about baptism. Are you really that
stupid?
It's the act and the result that is of value. That's plain in scripture.
Show us where, exactly, it's "plain in scripture" or admit you're wrong.
Post by duke
Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
, despite the fact that I know it isn't true
but you think it's God's word. Now what's wrong with that picture, duke?
You're making an ass of yourself.
For not believing in your mythology?
No, because you are a big ass. You keep missing the point. It's not me that
will be sorry for you failures. It will be you.
You'll be sorry when you go to Hell and see me in Heaven with a beer in my
hand and a sexy naked babe on my lap. And I'll be laughing my ass off,
duke.
Now that is a pure picture of hell if I ever saw one.

That "babe" is in pure hell, and you'll be laughing like a demented
one.

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2017-06-21 21:57:50 UTC
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 21:03:28 +0000 (UTC), Ted
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Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
Pasta, if you can't find the baptism of the Lord in scripture, you're in the
wrong discussion.
We weren't referring to Jesus's baptism, but of course I know where that is
too. (In all four gospels, e.g. Matthew 3.) I know the Bible *much* better
than you do (as does Robert)
No way in hell is that true.
You want a hint?
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
Welcome to baptism in water, ie, reborn.
The verse you quoted says nothing about baptism. Are you really that
stupid?
It's the act and the result that is of value. That's plain in scripture.
Show us where, exactly, it's "plain in scripture" or admit you're wrong.
Post by duke
Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
, despite the fact that I know it isn't true
but you think it's God's word. Now what's wrong with that picture, duke?
You're making an ass of yourself.
For not believing in your mythology?
No, because you are a big ass. You keep missing the point. It's not me that
will be sorry for you failures. It will be you.
You'll be sorry when you go to Hell and see me in Heaven with a beer in my
hand and a sexy naked babe on my lap. And I'll be laughing my ass off,
duke.
Now that is a pure picture of hell if I ever saw one.
That "babe" is in pure hell, and you'll be laughing like a demented
one.
Au contraire, Robert, the FSM hath revealed it to us in His Word. In
Heaven, there's a beer volcano and a stripper factory for the faithful.
It'll be an eternal party.
Robert
2017-06-22 16:35:38 UTC
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 21:57:50 +0000 (UTC), Ted
Post by Ted
Post by Robert
On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 21:03:28 +0000 (UTC), Ted
Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
Pasta, if you can't find the baptism of the Lord in scripture, you're in the
wrong discussion.
We weren't referring to Jesus's baptism, but of course I know where that is
too. (In all four gospels, e.g. Matthew 3.) I know the Bible *much* better
than you do (as does Robert)
No way in hell is that true.
You want a hint?
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
Welcome to baptism in water, ie, reborn.
The verse you quoted says nothing about baptism. Are you really that
stupid?
It's the act and the result that is of value. That's plain in scripture.
Show us where, exactly, it's "plain in scripture" or admit you're wrong.
Post by duke
Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
, despite the fact that I know it isn't true
but you think it's God's word. Now what's wrong with that picture, duke?
You're making an ass of yourself.
For not believing in your mythology?
No, because you are a big ass. You keep missing the point. It's not me that
will be sorry for you failures. It will be you.
You'll be sorry when you go to Hell and see me in Heaven with a beer in my
hand and a sexy naked babe on my lap. And I'll be laughing my ass off,
duke.
Now that is a pure picture of hell if I ever saw one.
That "babe" is in pure hell, and you'll be laughing like a demented
one.
Au contraire, Robert, the FSM hath revealed it to us in His Word. In
Heaven, there's a beer volcano and a stripper factory for the faithful.
It'll be an eternal party.
I couldn't find this again yesterday.

I owe you an apology, I thought this was posted by Duke as to the babe
on the lap thing. And anyone who would be in such a place with duke
whether it be a babe or small child. would be in hell, not heaven. I
thought sure I had checked the attributes several times since this
seemed strange coming from him. But it didn't

Please accept my apology.

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2017-06-22 19:51:26 UTC
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Post by Robert
On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 21:57:50 +0000 (UTC), Ted
Post by Ted
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 21:03:28 +0000 (UTC), Ted
Post by Ted
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Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
Pasta, if you can't find the baptism of the Lord in scripture, you're in the
wrong discussion.
We weren't referring to Jesus's baptism, but of course I know where that is
too. (In all four gospels, e.g. Matthew 3.) I know the Bible *much* better
than you do (as does Robert)
No way in hell is that true.
You want a hint?
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
Welcome to baptism in water, ie, reborn.
The verse you quoted says nothing about baptism. Are you really that
stupid?
It's the act and the result that is of value. That's plain in scripture.
Show us where, exactly, it's "plain in scripture" or admit you're wrong.
Post by duke
Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
, despite the fact that I know it isn't true
but you think it's God's word. Now what's wrong with that picture, duke?
You're making an ass of yourself.
For not believing in your mythology?
No, because you are a big ass. You keep missing the point. It's not me that
will be sorry for you failures. It will be you.
You'll be sorry when you go to Hell and see me in Heaven with a beer in my
hand and a sexy naked babe on my lap. And I'll be laughing my ass off,
duke.
Now that is a pure picture of hell if I ever saw one.
That "babe" is in pure hell, and you'll be laughing like a demented
one.
Au contraire, Robert, the FSM hath revealed it to us in His Word. In
Heaven, there's a beer volcano and a stripper factory for the faithful.
It'll be an eternal party.
I couldn't find this again yesterday.
I owe you an apology, I thought this was posted by Duke as to the babe
on the lap thing. And anyone who would be in such a place with duke
whether it be a babe or small child. would be in hell, not heaven.
Good call. :)
Post by Robert
thought sure I had checked the attributes several times since this
seemed strange coming from him. But it didn't
Please accept my apology.
Of course, Robert, but you didn't have to apologize. And I'm impressed by
how nice of a guy you are. Thank you. :)
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 21:57:50 +0000 (UTC), Ted
Post by Ted
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 21:03:28 +0000 (UTC), Ted
Post by Ted
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Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
Pasta, if you can't find the baptism of the Lord in scripture, you're in the
wrong discussion.
We weren't referring to Jesus's baptism, but of course I know where that is
too. (In all four gospels, e.g. Matthew 3.) I know the Bible *much* better
than you do (as does Robert)
No way in hell is that true.
You want a hint?
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
Welcome to baptism in water, ie, reborn.
The verse you quoted says nothing about baptism. Are you really that
stupid?
It's the act and the result that is of value. That's plain in scripture.
Show us where, exactly, it's "plain in scripture" or admit you're wrong.
Post by duke
Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
, despite the fact that I know it isn't true
but you think it's God's word. Now what's wrong with that picture, duke?
You're making an ass of yourself.
For not believing in your mythology?
No, because you are a big ass. You keep missing the point. It's not me that
will be sorry for you failures. It will be you.
You'll be sorry when you go to Hell and see me in Heaven with a beer in my
hand and a sexy naked babe on my lap. And I'll be laughing my ass off,
duke.
Now that is a pure picture of hell if I ever saw one.
That "babe" is in pure hell, and you'll be laughing like a demented
one.
Au contraire, Robert, the FSM hath revealed it to us in His Word. In
Heaven, there's a beer volcano and a stripper factory for the faithful.
It'll be an eternal party.
I couldn't find this again yesterday.
I owe you an apology, I thought this was posted by Duke as to the babe
on the lap thing. And anyone who would be in such a place with duke
whether it be a babe or small child. would be in hell, not heaven. I
thought sure I had checked the attributes several times since this
seemed strange coming from him. But it didn't
You're still wrong. I never said anything about a child on a lap.
Post by Robert
Please accept my apology.
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Post by Ted
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Pasta, if you can't find the baptism of the Lord in scripture, you're in the
wrong discussion.
We weren't referring to Jesus's baptism, but of course I know where that is
too. (In all four gospels, e.g. Matthew 3.) I know the Bible *much* better
than you do (as does Robert)
No way in hell is that true.
You want a hint?
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
Welcome to baptism in water, ie, reborn.
The verse you quoted says nothing about baptism. Are you really that
stupid?
It's the act and the result that is of value. That's plain in scripture.
Show us where, exactly, it's "plain in scripture" or admit you're wrong.
What I admit is that your pasta fairy faith is pagan.
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Post by duke
Post by Ted
Post by duke
Post by Ted
, despite the fact that I know it isn't true
but you think it's God's word. Now what's wrong with that picture, duke?
You're making an ass of yourself.
For not believing in your mythology?
No, because you are a big ass. You keep missing the point. It's not me that
will be sorry for you failures. It will be you.
You'll be sorry when you go to Hell and see me in Heaven with a beer in my
hand and a sexy naked babe on my lap. And I'll be laughing my ass off,
duke.
the dukester, American-American

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2017-06-22 19:51:27 UTC
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Post by Ted
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Pasta, if you can't find the baptism of the Lord in scripture, you're in the
wrong discussion.
We weren't referring to Jesus's baptism, but of course I know where that is
too. (In all four gospels, e.g. Matthew 3.) I know the Bible *much* better
than you do (as does Robert)
No way in hell is that true.
You want a hint?
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
Welcome to baptism in water, ie, reborn.
The verse you quoted says nothing about baptism. Are you really that
stupid?
It's the act and the result that is of value. That's plain in scripture.
Show us where, exactly, it's "plain in scripture" or admit you're wrong.
What I admit is that your pasta fairy faith is pagan.
A label that you can't define.
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Pasta, if you can't find the baptism of the Lord in scripture, you're in the
wrong discussion.
We weren't referring to Jesus's baptism, but of course I know where that is
too. (In all four gospels, e.g. Matthew 3.) I know the Bible *much* better
than you do (as does Robert)
No way in hell is that true.
You want a hint?
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
Welcome to baptism in water, ie, reborn.
The verse you quoted says nothing about baptism. Are you really that
stupid?
It's the act and the result that is of value. That's plain in scripture.
Show us where, exactly, it's "plain in scripture" or admit you're wrong.
What I admit is that your pasta fairy faith is pagan.
A label that you can't define.
He can't define, or you disagree?
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Pasta, if you can't find the baptism of the Lord in scripture, you're in the
wrong discussion.
We weren't referring to Jesus's baptism, but of course I know where that is
too. (In all four gospels, e.g. Matthew 3.) I know the Bible *much* better
than you do (as does Robert)
No way in hell is that true.
You want a hint?
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham?s
offspring.
Welcome to baptism in water, ie, reborn.
The verse you quoted says nothing about baptism. Are you really that
stupid?
It's the act and the result that is of value. That's plain in scripture.
Show us where, exactly, it's "plain in scripture" or admit you're wrong.
What I admit is that your pasta fairy faith is pagan.
A label that you can't define.
Don't have to. It's not Christian.

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It's a common misunderstanding among us non-Catholics. They mean that's how
*Mary* was conceived, not Jesus. It became Church doctrine centuries after
the time of Christ.
I knew that's what it meant a long time ago from associating with a
bunch of papists. It's a silly bit of nonsense. If Mary was conceived
in the ordinary human way, how could that be "immaculate"?
She wasn't.
Read the Bible.
You tell me what passage addresses it, blowjob. I'm not reading the
whole goddamned book looking for one passage I don't believe is in there
in the first place.
Of course it isn't.
It is very well established: this horseshit about "immaculate
conception" was only adopted as church dogma - by corrupt child-rapist
priests - centuries after the alleged lifetime of Christ.
Clearly.
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