Post by Ted Post by duke Post by Ted Post by duke Post by Ted
On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 22:19:05 +0000 (UTC), Ted
On Wed, 31 May 2017 23:03:24 +0000 (UTC), Ted
Robert's a *real* Christian, duke.
Nope. Never born again. Can't say how or when.
And you were "born again" as an infant when a designated shaman
gaudy robe sprinkled some drops of magic water on your head while
a magical incantation.
Well, it's not quite as you describe it, but it is a voluntary
parents in my case) to make me a Christian in the manner that
us. None of us are anything without our desire being carried
So there's no magic water nor a magical incantation. But instead
of a desire. Of course, the value to the infant is acceptance
the case of death. Protest_ants are stupid for waiting for the
And in the case of robert, I don't think he has ever been. He's
to say how or when.
Then he can't be a Christian. The Bible is explicit about baptism.
Yes, it is, but robert thinks he knows better.
Why do you think he wasn't baptized?
He claims he's "born again" but can't say how or when.
He rejects it has anything to do with "baptism".
As a former Protestant, I somewhat agree. But baptism is necessary.
say it isn't?
Yes. Yet he claims to be "born again" but denies that baptism is being
It isn't the same. Is that what Catholics believe?
It is the same. Scripture shows that. Robert is none too bright and
baptism/born again goes against his grain. He's wrong.
Please cite the scripture. Thanks.
Romans 9:8New International Version (NIV)
8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God?s
children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as
We are born in water in natural descent, and thus we are
born again in water to
become God's children.
Romans 9,8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are
not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for
That says nothing about baptism. Do you have another?
Baptism in water = born again in water.
But you can't cite the scripture?
Jesus demonstrated it.
You can't cite the scripture.
Jesus demonstrated it.
But Duke couldn't follow him.
But I did. Baptized at age 8 weeks. How about you? How were you born again?
That means nothing for your spiritual life. If it were to have
happened then it was without your consent or knowledge. God does not
operate that way.
But surely his parents' priest muttered the appropriate Vatican-approved
magical incantation while sprinkling a few drops of water on baby duke's
head. To a Catholic, that means "born again".
Oh, my name was definitely written in the book of life when I was baptized at
age 8 weeks. Robert can never say.
Where in the Bible does it mention infant baptism?
Where Jesus says "let the little children come to me and don't try to stop
them." There is not ONE word in scripture that says "one must be old enough to
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understand what's taking place and what it means" in order to be baptized, which
is a physical action in agreement by the parents in the case of infants..
That isn't Biblical.
It's historical for 2000 years now. Remember, scripture is only a part of
everything Jesus said and did. It may not be in writing, but it did come form
How are we to know what Jesus said if it isn't in the Bible?
Actually, what is followed as God's dogma comes from the canonized bible. But
there were many, many books written that were not canonized, so they offer
insight, but not official word.
And then of course, Jesus worked with men and women starting with the disciples
and 12 Apostles. These people were the source of additional information (John
21:25) taught to the early Church fathers, the growth of the Church in
Christians, and eventually to the teaching authority of the Papacy and the
Catechism of the Catholic Church.
What do protest_ants have? NOthing but a bunch of men 500 year ago who decided
they didn't like all that Jesus taught, so they decided what to accept from the
Catholic Church and what not to follow.
the dukester, American-American
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI