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dale
2020-10-04 19:22:03 UTC
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evolution if you mean to adapt and/or have progress

mutations as long as they aren't defined as random, cause and effect are
universal, nothing is unpredictable

biological creation of biology is observed all the time

I have never run across any proof of biology coming from non-biology,
"it had to happen" is not proof

the only answer to the cosmological first cause argument that satisfies
me is cyclical cause and effect, the last effect is the first cause,
cause and effect are universal, even if the universe is eternal, if
Godhead knows all eternity is relatively finite
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%
2020-10-04 19:50:25 UTC
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Post by dale
evolution if you mean to adapt and/or have progress
mutations as long as they aren't defined as random, cause and effect are
universal, nothing is unpredictable
biological creation of biology is observed all the time
I have never run across any proof of biology coming from non-biology,
"it had to happen" is not proof
the only answer to the cosmological first cause argument that satisfies
me is cyclical cause and effect, the last effect is the first cause,
cause and effect are universal, even if the universe is eternal, if
Godhead knows all eternity is relatively finite
there's no evoluting in a newsgroup
Ted
2020-10-04 22:09:41 UTC
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Post by dale
evolution if you mean to adapt and/or have progress
mutations as long as they aren't defined as random, cause and effect are
universal, nothing is unpredictable
biological creation of biology is observed all the time
I have never run across any proof of biology coming from
non-biology,
Post by %
Post by dale
"it had to happen" is not proof
the only answer to the cosmological first cause argument that satisfies
me is cyclical cause and effect, the last effect is the first cause,
cause and effect are universal, even if the universe is eternal, if
Godhead knows all eternity is relatively finite
there's no evoluting in a newsgroup
True. I've never witnessed a Usenet dumbass becoming human.
Peter Pan
2020-10-05 07:25:45 UTC
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Post by dale
evolution if you mean to adapt and/or have progress
mutations as long as they aren't defined as random, cause and effect are
universal, nothing is unpredictable
biological creation of biology is observed all the time
I have never run across any proof of biology coming from non-biology,
"it had to happen" is not proof
the only answer to the cosmological first cause argument that satisfies
me is cyclical cause and effect, the last effect is the first cause,
cause and effect are universal, even if the universe is eternal, if
Godhead knows all eternity is relatively finite
You are assuming the regime you are familiar with is how
everything has to be.

Everything is not causal. Google "heisenberg uncertainty
principle". The universe has a purely random,
unpredictable component.

Mofurther:
"Before" the big bang*, there was no spacetime.
No spacetime --> no time.
No time --> no before and after.
No before/after --> no cause preceeding effect.
No cause/effect timeline --> no causality as we know it.

Indeed, without spacetime, the laws of physics as we know
them become meaningless.

Rethink your cosmological theology and get back to us,
mkay? Good luck with that.


* Or whatever you speculate as the "beginning", if such
may exist.
Ted
2020-10-05 18:19:35 UTC
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Post by dale
evolution if you mean to adapt and/or have progress
mutations as long as they aren't defined as random, cause and effect are
universal, nothing is unpredictable
biological creation of biology is observed all the time
I have never run across any proof of biology coming from
non-biology,
Post by Peter Pan
Post by dale
"it had to happen" is not proof
the only answer to the cosmological first cause argument that satisfies
me is cyclical cause and effect, the last effect is the first cause,
cause and effect are universal, even if the universe is eternal, if
Godhead knows all eternity is relatively finite
You are assuming the regime you are familiar with is how
everything has to be.
Everything is not causal. Google "heisenberg uncertainty
principle". The universe has a purely random,
unpredictable component.
"Before" the big bang*, there was no spacetime.
No spacetime --> no time.
No time --> no before and after.
No before/after --> no cause preceeding effect.
No cause/effect timeline --> no causality as we know it.
Indeed, without spacetime, the laws of physics as we know
them become meaningless.
Rethink your cosmological theology and get back to us,
mkay? Good luck with that.
* Or whatever you speculate as the "beginning", if such
may exist.
Thanks Peter.

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